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lb:organization:chaosmeetings:2026:cm-2026-04 [2026/02/23 21:17] – add handheld notes to agenda xbrlb:organization:chaosmeetings:2026:cm-2026-04 [2026/03/09 21:41] (current) – Minutes orimpe
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-^ Administrative Council Attendees:  | [[user:xbr]], [[user:virii]], [[user:orimpe]]       | +^ Administrative Council Attendees:  | [[user:virii]], [[user:orimpe]]       | 
-^ Minutes Recording                  |                                                     |+^ Minutes Recording                  | [[user:orimpe]]                       |
  
 ===== Agenda ===== ===== Agenda =====
  
-  * MeshNet+  * Meshnet
     * Website     * Website
-    * Branding / how to talk about it  
     * Handheld nodes ??? did they arrive yet?     * Handheld nodes ??? did they arrive yet?
 +    * Branding / how to promote/talk about Meshnet
 +    * Node config: regio Settings
 +    * Owner Info -> Mail alias
 +  * What is our (and the CCC's) opinion/stance on (Gen)AI?
 +  * Privacy violations: Age/ID verification online
  
 ===== Minutes ===== ===== Minutes =====
  
-====  ====+==== MeshNet ==== 
 + 
 +=== Website === 
 +/ 
 +=== Handheld nodes=== 
 +The 10 handhelds have arrived, and the batteries are in the space. Virii flashed 2 Thinknodes with Meshcore and 2 Heltec compagnons with Meshtastic. 
 +Virii watches with Ben for an appointment at the DEA. 
 + 
 +=== branding === 
 +Everything depends on X, who is still editing the logo and wanted to copy fflux's website. 
 + 
 +=== Config & Regions Settings Brainstorm === 
 +^ Region  ^ Details  ^ 
 +| europe  | ganz Europa  | 
 +| lu  | Luxemburg  | 
 +| be  | Belgien  | 
 +| fr  | Frankreich  | 
 +| de-he  | Hessen  | 
 +| de-rp  | Rheinland-Pfalz  | 
 +[[https://meshcore-de.fyi/meshcore:allgemeines:regions:reale-regions-in-repeatern]] 
 +Wir schauen uns um im BENELUX bereich welche regios zutreffen. 
 + 
 +=== Owner Info === 
 +Offizielle Meshnet nodes erhalten CLub info. dh info@c3l.lu 
 +Allerdings sind Private nodes Betreiber sind gebeten ihre eigene Kontaktdaten zu hinterlegen. 
 + 
 +==== (Gen)AI ==== 
 + 
 +Generative AI is, whether we want it or not, quite present in society, including the news. **It is only a matter of time before we get asked about it**, f.i. by the press. We should discuss this topic, and write down our thoughts, as to have a coherent public stance. 
 + 
 +What lens would the press approach this with? What exactly do we need to prepare? This is a broad topic. 
 + 
 +=== Random Links (food for thought) === 
 + 
 +  * AI and copyright 
 +    * [[https://www.maastrichtuniversity.nl/blog/2024/07/text-and-data-mining-beyond-borders|Europe's "Text and Data Mining" (TDM) exception is the legal basis for AI training]] 
 +    * German court says: [[https://openfuture.eu/blog/gema-v-openai-memory-is-fragile-garbage-lasts-forever/|"training is allowed, memorization is not"]], you cannot repeat a song's lyrics. 
 +  * [[https://www.citriniresearch.com/p/2028gic|Niche Substack article about AI nightmare scenario]] //impacts the market// 
 +    * Context: 
 +      * fictional "memo from June 2028", imagining how the current AI boom could trigger a systemic economic crisis 
 +      * core thesis: AI doesn't need to fail to cause a crisis, it just needs to succeed fast enough 
 +      - AI agentic coding tools destroy SaaS (software as a service) 
 +      - AI agents displace human interaction (e.g. travel booking, insurance renewal, financial advice) 
 +      - Overall impact on many white-collar workers becoming redundant 
 +    * **[[https://archive.is/H4gzq|FT calls it out]] (and The Economist too), saying the economics of the article don't make sense**, but calls it 'interesting as a “thought-provoking example of scenario analysis”' 
 + 
 +Wir sollten uns ein Positionspapier erstellen. 
 + 
 +==== ID/Age verification ==== 
 + 
 +  * Age verification through selfie or ID everywhere 
 +    * Discord, Minecraft, social media, etc. 
 +  * cost: data privacy, surveillance 
 +    * https://spectrum.ieee.org/age-verification 
 + 
 +  * [[https://www.heise.de/news/Merz-will-Klarnamen-im-Internet-sehen-11181822.html|Friedrich Merz wants to see real names online]] (heise) 
 +  * [[https://www.heise.de/en/news/Demolition-ball-for-freedom-of-speech-Criticism-of-Merz-s-anti-anonymity-course-11184925.html|Criticism of Merz's anti-anonymity]] (heise) 
 +  * [[https://lequotidien.lu/editoriaux/edito-un-permis-pour-le-digital/|Digitale Führerschäin (education?) instead of "interdiction des réseaux sociaux pour les moins de 16 ans"]] 
 +  * [[https://www.rtl.lu/news/national/ass-dschoul-haut-scho-fit-fir-dzukunft-447439170]] 
 + 
 +Es ist die unendtliche Geschichte... Wir lesen uns mal bei der EDRI und co. ein um unsere Position und Argumente zu stärken.
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